At the post, For Those of You That Think Revolution is Always a Good Thing...., Veterans for Peace Indianapolis writes:
This but made me intend farther on Robert's Rules of secession. Knowing the Union didn't struggle to destination slavery but inwards the destination that was the practical effect, the U.S.A. crushing the Confederacy through forcefulness did movement millions of slaves toward actual liberty too liberty. Robert, delight analyze Confederate secession based on this.NY Cynic adds:
Personally, I believe slavery would receive got ended peacefully fifty-fifty inwards a CSA, equally evidenced past times it ending peacefully nearly everywhere else. But it sure enough ended much sooner than otherwise.
I'd similar to echo Veterans for Peace's asking for an analysis for the CSA. I personally intend that if the CSA was allowed to be economic science would've forced them to destination slavery, alternatively abolitionists inwards both the CSA too U.S.A. would get-go buying slaves inwards gild to costless them.The NAPster adds:
VPI, isn't that but about form of amoral numbers game you're playing? X seat out of slaves freed vs. Y seat out of soldiers too civilians killed/maimed = secession justified or not. I don't run into how starting a state of war that led to all of that decease too injury tin compass notice ever live justified for "the greater good." From the libertarian perspective of self-ownership too the NAP, the state of war was incorrect too slavery was wrong. The deed of peaceful secession was not, too tin compass notice never be, incorrect (although of course of teaching the dominion of those inwards the Union too CSA without their private consent e'er remains a wrong).
And lastly from Veterans for Peace Indianapolis, again:
The NAPster, I concur alongside you. I'd similar to run into Robert's take.RW response:
First, I desire to brand clear that inwards all cases of revolution, secession etc., it is really possible that things volition movement for about inwards the direction of liberty, piece for others, things movement inwards the direction of a loss of liberty. That was sure enough the example inwards the United States civil war.
I believe it is fair to state that the civil war did select liberty to slaves sooner than it would receive got occurred otherwise, regardless of what Abraham Lincoln's political motives were for freeing the slaves---which create non appear to receive got been because he viewed blacks equally equal to whites too deserving of freedom.
We know from the work of Thomas Dilorenzo that Lincoln had declared martial law, suspended habeas corpus, imprisoned thousands of Northern citizens who objected to the war, set the groundwork for the institution of conscription too income taxation. In short, he was a tyrant too nosotros nevertheless endure today from about of his actions.
Thus, I would non receive got supported his actions during the civil war, if I had lived inwards the North at that time.
However, I would non receive got supported the Confederate regime either. There may receive got been about confederates that freed the slaves they controlled but for the most business office the Confederate government was doing cypher to costless the slaves. I am non talking hither close the eventual economic science of the slave merchandise if the South had won the war, but the facts equally they were during the battle.
The endeavor at secession past times about Southerners does non print me because they sure enough weren't fighting to let the slaves to "secede" from their white owners (other than legislation belatedly inwards the state of war which allowed blacks to struggle too gain their freedom--but this was done inwards desperation when the due south was losing. Less than 50 slaves took the Confederates up on the offer).
It was a strategic mistake for the South to endeavor to secede, when looking dorsum at the final result from a realpolitik perspective.
In retrospect, the Confederates gained nothing. They severely miscalculated. The few measures they attempted to innovate inwards the due south that did growth about liberty for Southern whites was squashed past times the North's victory. And that doesn't fifty-fifty regard the some 620,000 Confederate soldiers who lost their lives. For what?
In the end, it was a dumb secession attempted past times the Confederates, from their ain perspective. It was a summation for slaves who were freed but exterior of freed slaves, it was immediate losses of lives too property, too a movement inwards the direction of a to a greater extent than totalitarian federal regime that continues to this day.
In price of advancing liberty, neither regime scores especially high grades here.
During the battle, I would receive got non supported the Union nor the Confederates. I would receive got supported slaves inwards their sweat to larn free---and for that state of war was non needed, nor secession. Sumber http://www.targetliberty.com/